Saturday, May 24, 2008

Can Marks really judge a student??

Well, merely by looking at the heading, most of you must have already guessed correctly about the matter in this blog.

Let’s start with an example-

A student called Mr. A. Passed his XII in 2008, a so called IIT aspirant (nowadays anyone who wants to be an engineer is called an IIT aspirant). Has already written many competitive exams like JEE, AIEEE, BITSAT, Manipal, VITEEE etc.

He is sitting in his room, trying to crack a hardcore physics problem. His dad surfing the internet, actually public portals meant for students and going through the posts in which different students from all over the country have posted the marks obtained/calculated by them in different competitive exams.

Just then A shouts on top of his voice “Yes, Yes. I did it. I cracked one of the toughest problems of mechanics which none of my friends could crack.”(I will mention about these friends later in this post)

Dad: Why are you shouting so loudly?? Its OK if you have cracked this problem but lemme tell you one thing. You don’t stand anywhere in comparison to different students all over the country.

A: Huh??? What do you mean by that???

Dad: come here and see the marks calculated by these students. This guy is getting 323 in BITSAT, he is getting 366, he is getting 320 and look at this guy, he is getting a mammoth 412. And look at your score. A paltry 295.

A: But dad, I have already told you a hundred times that it was not my fault. The chemistry portion was too much knowledge based and a lot of questions asked the information not given in the chemistry books I have.

Dad: Whatever!!! You always have an excuse. Alright then, look at their AIEEE and IITJEE scores. Most of them in 200s and some of them even crossing 250. And look at your scores. AIEEE-165 and IITJEE-182.

A: (was just about to speak but suddenly stops himself because he knew that his explanations will be of no use. Instead of making his dad understand his situation, they would only serve as excuses given by him for his poor performance)

Now something about A. No need to mention that he is a genius in physics and loves this subject but on the other hand, he is not so good in maths and poor in chemistry.

It’s a fact that we are all human beings and not robots and you can’t expect everyone to be perfect in all the 3 subjects. A’s case is not much different. He has a genius’ mind but as he is not that good in chemistry, he could not score well in his competitive exams and might end up with very poor ranks in almost all of them.

So does it mean that he is not intelligent, he is not studious, he is not hardworking?? Do these marks give any idea of his intelligence, hard work and dedication?? If he is getting low marks in BITSAT just because the chemistry questions asked the info he did not have in his books, does it mean that he doesn’t stand anywhere??

And now about his friends, almost all of them are getting marks higher than him in all the exams but none of them is able to do hardcore physics problems which A can do quite easily. But just because his friends will get a higher rank and higher scores in exams, does it mean that they are more intelligent, more hard working, more studious??

Well, a better question is-Can an exam judge a person in just 3 hours?? Is it possible to judge someone’s intelligence, I.Q., determination, sincerity etc in 3 hours?? Is it possible to judge the amount of hard work put in by anyone for whole 2 years in just 3 hours?? Who knows what happens in those 3 hours. There are several reason due to which many deserving people can’t get a seat in one of the India’s most prestigious institution.

What are those reasons??


Lemme take one more example. This time I will call this guy Mr. B.

His strongest subject-Chemistry and he is pretty decent in Maths and physics at least to the extent of clearing the cut-offs in the exams. He was pretty confident of getting a seat in IIT. But fate had something else in store for him.

To his bad luck, his family was full of IITians and people with excellent academic achievements/records. So the pressure of performing well automatically came upon him.

To add to his bad luck, his elder cousin got a rank of 52(rank changed to hide the identity but it is very close to the original rank) in JEE-07. Now his family’s expectations from him and pressure on him increased manifolds. Right from declaration of results of JEE-07 to JEE-08, the pressure kept on increasing constantly because of his family members who kept reminding him of their expectations from him.

And lemme tell you, his miseries are not over yet. He has a competitor also. His cousin brother, who has always been ahead of him in academics, has also given JEE this year. So now B has an extra pressure to perform better than his cousin.

So now, I hope that most of you can estimate the amount of pressure on B. And this pressure told upon his JEE-08. As soon as he got the question paper, his hands were literally trembling. He broke the seal of the question paper, saw the first question and imagine what? He was not able to recall even a single formula. He had to derive most of the formulae there only and that consumed most of his time. So this way, he messed up his first paper.

In the next sitting, the pressure was even higher as he had messed up his first paper but this time he was more determined to do well. He started off pretty well doing a majority of chemistry questions and some maths questions also but then he stuck some physics questions and the pressure started building again. He somehow managed to do the second paper better than the first one but his total marks are no where near the expected cut-offs.

So, you can clearly see that a deserving student who was confident of getting a rank in top 2000 in IITJEE would now hardly get any rank + his parent’s disappointment + embarrassment in front of his academically great relatives. And he was not faulty anywhere in his preparations. He is a mentally strong person but after all he is a human being and under such circumstances and pressure, a mental breakdown is not surprising.

An example of consequences of parental pressure .

Well, it is just one of the numerous reasons. I think this much is sufficient to start with. I will keep posting more such reasons and examples.

Common story of all IIT aspirants.

And lemme make it very clear that these examples are not my mind’s creation. These are real life examples of my friends, and different students I have come across till now. And to hide their identity I am using names like Mr. A, Mr. B.

I wanted a platform to express my views and that’s why I started this blog.

I can assure you one thing that you will surely find yourself in one of the examples I have posted so far /will be posting in future.

Now I am looking forward to your views. So feel free to express your views.


Can an exam judge a student’s real potential in 3 or 6 hours??? Are marks the only criteria which differentiate intelligent/deserving students with dumb people?? Is the selection of few thousand students out of lakhs on the basis of a 3 hour test justified??

In a nutshell, I want to convey this message to all the IIT-aspirants all over the country-

Never get demoralised if you fail in an exam. Don't think that you are worthless and worse/lower than IITians in any aspect. Greatdreams rightly said in his comment-

academic excellence is never ever = professional excellence.
If you are deserving, if you have talent, you will ultimately succeed in life despite numerous failures.

Success doesn't mean the absence of failures; it means the attainment of ultimate objectives. It means winning the war, not every battle. ~Edwin C. Bliss

36 comments:

gauravragtah said...

Very True!

ROSHNI said...

yep it's TRUE !!!

saurabh_reincarnated said...

haan!!!!!!!
well wats true..... only lyf is true...... truth is true....
and truth is dat ki zindagi ke hisaab se humain chalna padhta hai....... woh humare hisaab se nahin chalegi...

i will never gve up yaar .... aise hi main aam admi ki zindagi nahin loonga.. i will prepare for big..

par zindagi ko manzoor hona chahiye.. luck ko manane ki koshish toh mujhe karna hi hoga.. sabko

saurabh_reincarnated said...

duniya kehti hai ki u r not selectedin any gud place..... so u r a fool toh... sab wohi maante hain....
par hum kuch toh karenge .. even if we circumb ourselves to same thought...

binaryknights said...

wish the Chair"Mens" of different exams are listening
Its really unfortunate the people who dream BIG and falter once
are made to suffer circumstances that go against them
Thanx for bringing up this issue....

Anonymous said...

good artile!!!
i know mr.B but who is mr. A ??

angel18 said...

i concur!!
how can one judge a person just in 3 hrs and dat too wid just chem,phy and maths as a sub!!!

Anonymous said...

ya its very very true!!!!!1

Unknown said...

Hi !
what a wonderful article !
i m surely gonna ask my father to read this !
every parent must read this to understand that not only marks, but many other factors lead to a student's result !
also, a 3 hr exam cant judge a person's capabilities !
hats off to tarin for coming up with this brilliant article !
well done !
hope to get more such stuff on this blog !

ColumbaPyxis Auriga said...

Thank you very much for ur gr8 response.
And as umang said- U must all make ur parents read this blog and try to tell ur frnds abt this.
I want more and more ppl to read this blog. This is really gonna help us students.

$h@mbh@v! said...

totally true brother....

i am suffering from a very similar thing

Anonymous said...

another 1....like the mr.B...he who had 1 of his neibhour securing AIR 3 in jee 2007 & so had to face a lot of parental pressure....

Unknown said...

i totally agree wid u,,,,,,,,,,

sree said...

hey .....i agree to the fact that what you have said is cent percent true......exam stress is killing people nowadays............

But there is another side for the problem which has to be taken really into consideration.....how will you judge this large number of aspirants otherwise called the candidates in an exam.As mentioned in the iit jee propectus the best method for selection of students is to do a continuous evaluation and then take average..but as it is not practical we have to carry on with the same procedures..................till anybody could suggest an effective alternative which alas nobody in the world till date{i believe}..couldn't..........so it is better to stick on to the present system

Anonymous said...

rightly said!
a must-read for students n der parents!

ColumbaPyxis Auriga said...

@sreevishnu,
U R right. The best method to evaluate a student is to take a series of tests and then take the average of all.
And who said it is not practical?? IIT can conduct a series of 3-4 tests and then take the average.
The thing is- we dont want to take any step. A lot of people want to speak out to the world, but they stop themselves. Why do they want to keep themselves quiet??
C'mon yaar, speak out to the world. Tell everyone that this education system is faulty.
The way we students are treated by the society is wrong.

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Anonymous said...

Sorry for the above .. But I am writing it again :

The older version of JEE was more effective ..... I mean firstly the Screenings and there after the Mains.

But...... Screenings shud be taken twice .. I mean average of them is the best way to decide the caliber of a person whether he is eligible to appear Mains or not ...

Now something more I would like to say :
There are two situations wherein a bright student .... (like someone similar to Mr.A....not exactly Mr. A) would fail in such exams like JEE .. (considering the person is good in one subject .. moderate in other and poor in the third)
(1) He doesnt care at all for the subject in which he is lagging far behind .. I mean he just ignores that subject .
(2) He is really weak in them .. cant grasp the fundamentals ...real pity of him :( he's in a troublesome situation.

The first case is mostly frequent among the so-called "JEE Aspirants" and the reason for it is the second point .....

Ultimately the thing works out that he isnt interested in the subject or is bad at it .... And so a failure waits for him at such exams .

Its better to put a selection in the JEE subject pattern ... I mean PCM should be compulsory .. but there should be other options as well .... Like Computers and all such upcoming field subjects ....

IQ of the student doesnt matter as long as he is talented ... So ultimately ... Talent should be given a fair chance in comparison to IQ :)

Thats all what I wanted to say :D

Unknown said...

To say the truth this blog isn't meant for students i feel. Specially if they take it too seriously , and specially if they have not given entrance exams as yet . Cos ultimately it is also true that the toppers of iit are really intelligent and i think that at least the majority of iitians do deserve their seat .Moreover , i know people who are also damn good in various subjects but at the same time they know that iit just doesn't test intelligence , it tests your way of handling pressure as well , aieee doesn't just test intelligence (if at all :D ) but also how much practise , how much speed and to a lot of extent the remembering of answers. So these people spend 1 year on just solving the given questions in limited time.
What i mean is that if u have to aim for iit u have to adjust with its way , rather than saying that iit does not test the right way

Another thing , I think someone who has got a very good rank in iit , if he says all this , the point would be made even better , but of course we know that tarin is no less than any iitian (he may be one also ) :D

Anonymous said...

TO ASK FOR 3-4 tests & then taking average is so stupid & unpractical.Tarin probably doesn't know about what great efforts are required to conduct an exam like this all over the country.Moreover,this would increase the cost of application forms by quite a bit which might be offcourse not affordable to many.Just because u people are not doing well,u are blaming the system.Yes I do agree that it is somewhat faulty but at the same time we should realise that there's no other option.....Ponder over this for a while....

Anonymous said...

I completely agree with anchit!

and I feel that this is tarin's frustration of not doing well that has come out here......If he'd have done well in the exam & expecting a good rank,he wouldn't have posted this! REALLY A LOSER!

Pratik Anand said...

Yes buddy, u r right......

but u see....cry in rome like romans.... u have to adjust to the situation...the best thing we can do is to take an initiative to protest against this thing....but have abide by the rules till they change....getting my point, my friend?

Unknown said...

I agree 70% with Tarin and 30% with Anchit.

Anonymous said...

It's true that marks cannot judge a student but at the same time you have got to have some method of selecting students.
Mr. B's case doesn't impress me at all. Pressure to perform will always be there in life. He buckled under pressure and so failed to achieve his target.
The only real pressure that we must care about is the pressure to do our best.
If you are able to do your best then you are a true success.

Now you have at least an idea about the type of questions that are asked in jee. When I cleared jee in 2006 we had no clue about the type of questions and the pattern.
I can remember that seeing those 'mark the numeric answer' questions, a big smile crossed my face because that type of question was completely unexpected and i thought 'this is not even objective, there are more than a million possible answers we can mark and the question is taking 15 mins to solve'.
I can assure you that all Mr. B's did not clear the exam that year. May be that was what they wanted to test.
Now coming to Mr. A. I am quite close to being Mr. A myself.
My Maths was strong, Physics was good and chemistry was poor.
In chemistry i was losing out as i had difficulty in memorizing the stuff in inorganic.
I looked and looked for a method in the madness that was inorganic chemistry but there was none to be found. Each logic given by the teachers was having more exceptions than regular cases...
I could never come to grips with inorganic chemistry and in the end i had to resort to cramming mindlessly. In fact I had reserved a week after the board exams to just revise inorganic while i had another week for all the other subjects.
But even then i lost out much as most of my friends here scored about 110-120 in chemistry while i could manage only 91. Me getting 80's in maths and physics meant we got almost the same total.
I couldn't do much except try working harder at the weak points.
Sometimes I blamed the syllabus of chemistry for putting too much emphasis on memorizing but later I realized that I wasn't multi-talented and that was it.
You have to remember that this is a competition no different from others and the all-round performer always wins.
Losing a football game and saying the turf was slippery is not an excuse. If it was slippery, it was for both sides anyway.
BTW : My jee 2006 rank : 1153 (Ist attempt)
Bitsat score : 394
Best of luck to all future appearants

anit said...

very touchy article
excellent
completely true
but still as we r helpless tudents we have to accept it

Kundan a.k.a Juan said...

Kundan here...

i agree with tarin at places...

par this is our education system.....like it or not this is the way it stays....where imagination , inquisitiveness , practicality has always been suppressed...what matters is bein a rattu or bein gpoint blank genius....fighting ur own way out....

par its not suddenly imposed on us 4 the entrances.....we've beeen accustomed 2 it for a decade now......and its also unfair for those who deservedly got a seat....because we worked for it.....it's not a fluke...

so i think you can never generalise it.....most parents nowadays understand that...a very good article nonetheless....
cheers tarin...

ColumbaPyxis Auriga said...

Someone up there mentioned-
''TO ASK FOR 3-4 tests & then taking average is so stupid & unpractical.Tarin probably doesn't know about what great efforts are required to conduct an exam like this all over the country.Moreover,this would increase the cost of application forms by quite a bit which might be offcourse not affordable to many.''

That's a very true point I must say and thanks for mentioning it here.

So, if IIT cant organise a series of 3-4 tests, then why doesnt it admit students the way MIT or some other top university does??

I mean to say that MIT doesnt admit you only on the basis of ur GRE scores, it takes in consideration ur whole academic/extra curricular record from all aspects. It also requires ur teachers' recommendations.

Now this is a really gud and effective way to select deserving students. Atleast better than a 3 hour test.

PLZ note it that I dont want to start an anti IIT campaign here.

Srajan Mani Rastogi said...

very true... In India no one gives a damn to what your good at other than ur studies... for instance i know some fantastic quizzers, having been a quizzer myself.... they were absolutely brilliant at what they did but that didnt mean they were exceptionally brilliant at studies too... What MIT or for that matter most top league global universities do is that they see your all round profile.... I have seen people with below average SAT scores but with other talents, get into some of the best universities from my school. Apart from this they look at other aspects also...

What IIT or for that matter any other entrance in India does is that it tests you on the basis of your performance in those three hours, as if its a matter of life and death....
I believe it is a very wrong way to judge someone...

PS: Tarin, very good article indeed

Unknown said...

The point roots to Indian society as these so called " competitive " students and parents themselves don't know what true competition is.

Moreover academic excellence is never ever = professional excellence ....

Just making anchit's comments a little more apt :


" Moreover , i know people who are also damn good in various subjects but at the same time they know that iit just doesn't test (match fixing) intelligence , it tests your way of handling (coaching) pressure as well , aieee doesn't just test intelligence (if at all :D ) but also how much (mal)practice , how much speed and to a lot of extent the remembering of answers "

And trust me life is a long game few years into it and commenting "loser " etc might just be a big big gamble; who knows a poor start might just be a blessing in disguise.

I hope Tarin takes my comments in a friendly manner :)

Anonymous said...

sumthing very true i must say!! ppl do give up under such pressures nd its not dere fault... i would still lyk to add sumthing...we shuldnt put a question on their selection procedure u hv to face such challenges in lyf..after all dat is wat we prepare for in those two years....

Anonymous said...

True, very true indeed dude. But the fact of the matter is the system is faulty for all of us, and those who succeed within the faulty system, are the real winners .

Anonymous said...

thanks for the complement (tarin)..
yaa I don't know much abt MIT adm procedure but if they do so wat u've mentioned then it's absolutely fine...........

But at the same time u must realise that most of the performers at the school level pure 'Rote Learners'......
they may not understand much abt the science involved but they'd surely mug up & pass the school exams..(hey though I did perform at the school level but surely didnt crammed & so I hate who do.....)
so considering overall academic performance again might lead to selection of candidates who don't deserve to be....

Anonymous said...

Well, the basic problem is this infinite craze about IIT's. People ought to get an idea that apart from IIT, there are several options available. I'm going to give my JEE in 2009. My bro is already in IIT. I'm similar to student A. Am strong in maths, good in phys, poor in chem. I cleared the national olympiad in maths, and next year though I'm goinng to give JEE , Im going to join either CMI(chennai mathematical institue) or ISI(Indian statistical institute). My parents bro all ok with it.

The prob is not with JEE. Its with us people, us students, and more so our parents. The craze ought to go down for JEE. Its detrimental in several ways. Any IITians here shall testify to this fact- several students entering IIT after clearing JEE after 2 yrs of gruelling hard work think tht IIT is heaven and the end of it all. They flunk miserably in their first sem exams. This is completely true and really sad. Abolish coaching institutes, kill the craze for IIT, then the students prosper.

Unknown said...

nice article.....gud job tarin.....hoping 2 read mre of ur wrks

ColumbaPyxis Auriga said...

Thanks. :)

ANSHIKA RATHEE said...

intelligent students who hav toppd many tmes...may nt perform so good in entrance bcoz sum of them need practice...entrance is after so many days and that temperament is sumwat blurrd...joh feel hoti hai exam mein phodneki woh thodi develop karni padti hai sum days b4...mock test practice makes us avoid silly mistakes wich we would do writing jee so many days after our practice tests taken...sum ppl reaslize this afterwards...
sumary : exam temperament hona chahiye pehle bhi...otherwise going an giving jee once without mocks may welcum many silly mistakes wich could hav been avoided...this is applicable 2 toppers 2...